End of Oud

kooolaid79

Well-Known Member
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Dear oudh lovers,

I just finished watching a video which was made last year called "Scent from heaven"
This video is really an eye opener for everyone who loves Oudh and the passion that goes into making it.

After watching the video one of Sidi Ensar's blog which was called the "end of oud" popped in my mind. The person even glances at Ensar's blog for a short duration in the video.

What people do to get Oudh the wrong way and how many loop holes are paid off.
I have so much more respect do all of beloved Artisans/distillers who go way beyond out of their way to ensure everything is done in the right way. From farming, cultivation, and trying to do everything natural.
People get so emotional when it comes to the price of Oudh and so much under appreciation is given even though many a times they might be risking their lives.
From the bottom of my heart, I would like to say Thank you to Ensar, Taha, Adam, and any other Artisan who gives back to us people.

 
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Dear oudh lovers,

I just finished watching a video which was made last year called "Scent from heaven"
This video is really an eye opener for everyone who loves Oudh and the passion that goes into making it.

After watching the video one of Sidi Ensar's blog which was called the "end of oud" popped in my mind. The person even glances at Ensar's blog for a short duration in the video.

What people do to get Oudh the wrong way and how many loop holes are paid off.
I have so much more respect do all of beloved Artisans/distillers who go way beyond out of their way to ensure everything is done in the right way. From farming, cultivation, and trying to do everything natural.
People get so emotional when it comes to the price of Oudh and so much under appreciation is given even though many a times they might be risking their lives.
From the bottom of my heart, I would like to say Thank you to Ensar, Taha, Adam, and any other Artisan who gives back to us people.

Thoroughly enjoyed that video. Thanks for posting
 

Ensar Oud

Well-Known Member
#10
Still waiting, now 5 years later and there is still plenty of wild oils for about the same prices as it was in 2012………………..

yes, actually it is booming not ending, much more new vendors with excellent wild oud oils at even better prices than in 2012.
In 2012, you could get Kyara Koutan for $790 / 3gr. Borneo Kinam, Kalbar 3000, Oud Royale 2 all went for $550 / 3gr. Now you're paying $650 / 3gr for 5 year-old sapling oils from Guangdong & Hainan; $470 for 'sliced' Koh Kong tree oils, while the equivalent of Kyara Koutan commands $4,500 and the others $2,500 minimum, if you can even find them.

The fact that some people stashed away large amounts of oils back in the day and can still offer them for cheap doesn't mean the jungles are brimming with trees. Why is that so difficult to understand?
 
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kooolaid79

Well-Known Member
#11
Still waiting, now 5 years later and there is still plenty of wild oils for about the same prices as it was in 2012………………..
Could you please explain the statement "there is still plenty of wild oils" please?
I mean what the Distellers are saying here on the forum is contrary to your statement.
How are you saying this with such confidence about Oudh wood not disappearing and there being plenty left for the same prices?
 
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kooolaid79

Well-Known Member
#12
In 2012, you could get Kyara Koutan for $790 / 3gr. Borneo Kinam, Kalbar 3000, Oud Royale 2 all went for $550 / 3gr. Now you're paying $650 / 3gr for 5 year-old sapling oils from Guangdong & Hainan; $470 for 'sliced' Koh Kong tree oils, while the equivalent of Kyara Koutan commands $4,500 and the others $2,500 minimum, if you can even find them.

The fact that some people stashed away large amounts of oils back in the day and can still offer them for cheap doesn't mean the jungles are brimming with trees. Why is that so difficult to understand?
The last paragraph is brilliant Sidi Ensar! I think you foresaw the future of Oudh and saved some for yourself. Simply brilliant!
Now if you offer what is rightfully yours (not to share) with another soul for a premium price, that's generosity on your part because You didn't have to let anyone else smell that, let alone come clean on the pricing.
 
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In 2012, you could get Kyara Koutan for $790 / 3gr. Borneo Kinam, Kalbar 3000, Oud Royale 2 all went for $550 / 3gr. Now you're paying $650 / 3gr for 5 year-old sapling oils from Guangdong & Hainan; $470 for 'sliced' Koh Kong tree oils, while the equivalent of Kyara Koutan commands $4,500 and the others $2,500 minimum, if you can even find them.

The fact that some people stashed away large amounts of oils back in the day and can still offer them for cheap doesn't mean the jungles are brimming with trees. Why is that so difficult to understand?
Yes, but this are prices for sold out ouds.

Kyara Koutan commands $2,500 - $4,500 and Oud Nuh $1,500. This are No longer available.

And this are not set prices it is what maybe people will try to resold if anybody is willing to pay

The available wild ouds are still 550 now as it was in 2012 and with even more variety than in 2012. And even cheaper.

2012 wild ouds section for sale in September:

http://web.archive.org/web/20120903210414/http://ensaroud.com/category/vintage-ltd/4

Oud yunus – 550

Chinese exclusive – 550

Oud Sultany – 2000


2017 wild ouds section for sale:

https://ensaroud.com/category/aged-wild-oud/4

Archipelago – 405

Green papua – 475

Borneo 5000 - 550

Assam 3000 – 550

XLL – 550

You can actually see now there are much better deals than 20012

Maybe that have to do something with “make oud cheap again” but I do not see any end of wild oud. This are just facts nothing more.
 
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Could you please explain the statement "there is still plenty of wild oils" please?
I mean what the Distellers are saying here on the forum is contrary to your statement.
How are you saying this with such confidence about Oudh wood not disappearing and there bring plenty left for the same prices?
well there only 2-3 distillers here compare to hundreds other active distillers that distill 24/7
 
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The fact that some people stashed away large amounts of oils back in the day and can still offer them for cheap doesn't mean the jungles are brimming with trees. Why is that so difficult to understand?
what about all the other new vendors who do not have any stash it a way but still selling excellent wild ouds for much cheaper than in 2012?[/QUOTE]
 

Ensar Oud

Well-Known Member
#17
what about all the other new vendors who do not have any stash it a way but still selling excellent wild ouds for much cheaper than in 2012?
I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder, moyat priyatel! What you might consider an 'excellent wild oud' could be white cultivated wood to me or the next guy. There is simply no way high incense grade oils are cheaper now than in 2012, or that the quality of raw materials is better now than in 2012. The only thing that has changed since 2012 is that people found out what a condenser is. That's all. :)
 
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I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder, moyat priyatel! What you might consider an 'excellent wild oud' could be white cultivated wood to me or the next guy. There is simply no way high incense grade oils are cheaper now than in 2012, or that the quality of raw materials is better now than in 2012. The only thing that has changed is people found out what a condenser is. That's all. :)
Hi Ensar, Ok let’s leave than the other vendors “excellent wild oud” that for you maybe is just white cultivated wood, thought many well experienced oud lovers do not think so.
And talk about what you have write in 2012 the facts are totally against what you have write in 2012 about End of Oud judging just by your own products as you can see even before 2012 in 2011 all of your wilds ouds were 550 in price, in 2015,16,17 your wild section ouds are even cheaper 250 – 550, I am talking only about wild section oils not Olde or Sultan sections.
I have purchase from you Kambodi Kuwwa for 250 wild Cambodi oil, and it is unbelievable oil (absolutely nothing in common with the regular Combodis wich I don’t even like) just a few more years of aging and will not be any less good than Oud Nuh – selling 550 in 2011 (this is only oil I have try from before 2012, there are samples of OR # 1 and Borneo 3000 coming soon to me so will get the chance to finally try this legends)
So something about your End of wild oud article does not add up to me, or maybe I am stupid or something.
2016 was the “End of Organic oud”
2017 is the: End of Sandalwood”
I really can’t wait what is next………………….:)
June 25 – 2011 wild section oils:
http://wayback.archive.org/web/20110625211742/http://www.oriscent.com:80/category/LTD/36
Oud royale – 550
Oud Mostafa – 550
Borneo 3000 – 550
Oud Khidr – 550
Borneo Kinam – 550
Oud Nuh – 550
Kyara Koutan – 790

April – 2017 wild section oils:
https://ensaroud.com/category/aged-wild-oud/4
Archipelago – 405
Green papua – 475
Borneo 5000 - 550
Assam 3000 – 550
XLL – 550
 
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Ensar Oud

Well-Known Member
#19
Hi Ensar, Ok than let’s leave than the other vendors “excellent wild oud” that for you maybe is just white cultivated wood, thought many well experienced oud lovers do not think so.
And talk about what you have write in 2012 the facts are totally against what you have write in 2012 about End of Oud judging just by your own products as you can see even before 2012 in 2011 all of your wilds ouds were 550 in price, in 2015,16,17 your wild section ouds are even cheaper 250 – 550, I am talking only about wild section oils not Olde or Sultan sections.
I have purchase from you Kambodi Kuwwa for 250 wild Cambodi oil, and it is unbelievable oil (absolutely nothing in common with the regular Combodis wich I don’t even like) just a few more years of aging and will not be any less good than Oud Nuh – selling 550 in 2011 (this is only oil I have try from before 2012, there are samples of OR # 1 and Borneo 3000 coming soon to me so will get the chance to finally try this legends)
So something about your End of wild oud article does not add up to me, or maybe I am stupid or something.
2016 was the “End of Organic oud”
2017 is the: End of Sandalwood”
I really can’t wait what is next………………….:)
June 25 – 2011 wild section oils:

http://wayback.archive.org/web/20110625211742/http://www.oriscent.com:80/category/LTD/36
Oud royale – 550
Oud Mostafa – 550
Borneo 3000 – 550
Oud Khidr – 550
Borneo Kinam – 550
Oud Nuh – 550
Kyara Koutan – 550

April – 2017 wild section oils:
https://ensaroud.com/category/aged-wild-oud/4
Archipelago – 405
Green papua – 475
Borneo 5000 - 550
Assam 3000 – 550
XLL – 550
Maybe look up CITES.
 

Oudamberlove

Well-Known Member
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We've got plenty of trees here in California that have Heartwood of Solid Sinking Grade:p:p:p

If there are plenty wild trees available, where can I apply to be a huntero_O
I heard that some forests are protected. Hopefully the wild trees there will never become extinct, but where forests are not protected, then you can kiss those Mother Trees goodbye, if they aren't extinct by now, then they soon will be, reason is, the population of the Oud consuming markets:confused:
We here in the Forums are hearing about extinction from within the Oud Trade, from Hunters, to Distillers, and China Market Tycoons. For more information about the present state of Agarwood trees, one should contact the Agriculturists of each Region;)