Feel Oud - the Ensar & Adam musings

Ensar Oud

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#1
Comrade Adam over at Feel Oud has been gracious enough to send me several samples to review, and I thought I'd let the rest of the oud-feeling world in on the discussion..... ;)

YAMIN

I like it! Reminds me of a good clean wild Thai profile, full of grass and milk hiding behind that cool kyen note which I'm assuming is lent by the quality oil-grade wood that you put into the boiler, in addition to the incense grade lot. I can detect clear Taha influences in this set up, barring the resin-conversion technique, which I'm assuming is the reason the airiness is not as emphasized as in Taha's juices. Some of it smells almost Malaysian green to me, with a vague allusion to Sutera Ungu.

Then again, my personal dilemma with contemporary distillations is that they all smell nice and clean and green, but for some reason don't have the same muscle as something from 20 years ago..... I've aged oils for almost a decade, and to me they're not exactly turning into Oud Sultani just by letting them sit there..... Why is my Mission Cambodi Kinam like a white Borneo and not an Oud Ahmad or Salahuddin, is something that I will never understand. Try and use the oldest set ups, shatter the Allihin condenser in a rage (especially on election night) and you still won't get that 'old' smell.....

This is history, I guess..... We've moved into the last decade of oud, and artisanal oud is supposed to smell clean, no matter who cooks it or how..... I want to smell some dirt for a change. Not a nasty oil, but a muddy, a cloudy oil, full of dregs and gubal.....

More reviews coming.....
 

Adam

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#2
Asalamualekum ya Ensar…
thank God the samples arrived safe and sound…

Thank you for your kind comments.
What you just tested was the oil me and Ali cooked around 1.5 years ago…
At that time we just started and had cooked only 8 oils…
The target at the beginning of our journey was to capture something that is free of all those dirty muscles…
The scent that is a contrary to what most see as “real” OUD OIL…
The scent that young, beautiful lady can wear, appreciate and greet her beloved one with…
The scent that is tender, whispery and intimate rather than psychedelically oudy…
That perhaps was the reason why mainly ladies highly appreciated these type of oils…

To me there are two ways how to look at oud oils…
As a consumer ( user ) and as a distiller ( artist )…
As a user I tend to go for oils I personally like… it does not necessarily related to a quality, value or uniqueness of an oil… just a type of smell I personally enjoy the most… the style of aroma that makes my full body and soul pleased and satisfied…

Then there is a distiller approach or quality assessment. This is related to the quality of an oil ( balance/diversity/flow of notes, vertical/horizontal/inner depth, longevity, projection and other nuances ), the uniqueness ( style of scent, character, behaviour of an oil ), value ( raw materials, yield, cost… ), technical aspects (treatment of raw materials prior distillation, distillation methods, equipment used)...
 

Adam

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#3
Looking at Yamin as a user I definitely won’t wear it on a daily basis…
However, I would be totally pleased if my future wife could use it every single day/night and greet me wearing it…

Looking at this oil as a distiller I am completely pleased due to several reasons. Its balance and the flow of notes is quite amazing. It may lack in vertical depth yet the horizontal view is very wide… It also has this inner impact.. Something that makes me call it INTIMATE… Something completely lacking in the oils I personally like, those you probably referring to… heavy on gubal, psychedelic, vertically bottomless oud bombs… Another two oils that has this intimate feel, at least to me, are yours oud Sultani and
Kambodi ’76… Thank you for sharing the precious sample of Kambodi ’76 … listening to it closely now … will share my feelings soon ...
 

Ensar Oud

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#4
ва алейкум салам ва Рахматулла!

I see you've got ladies on your mind.... Talk of a 'future wife' sure sounds exciting! I wish you all the best with your search, and would offer a simple piece of advice.... Ali mentioned something about the reasoning behind your move to Malaysia.... I think you're in for some stiff, culturally sore 'muscles' in the process like you never imagined. I'd advise you to look for someone of Russian background, who can speak your language and understand your mentality. You'll save yourself a ton of heartache.

On to the oils!... I think you may have misread my purport, брат. What I meant to say is, even the oils that are nowadays distilled to possess the oudiest of 'muscles' are sorely lacking in them. By 'old school' and 'oudy' I am not referring to an oil that has been soaked beyond recognition – I mean an oil that is cooked straight up, unsoaked, and turns out oudier than the cheesiest of ferments. Because of the type of resin that it possesses, not because of the way it's treated pre-distillation.

Let's face it. The trees we harvest today don't hold a candle to the geriatric granny goodness you could harvest 10-20 years ago. So what? So all we've got left is 'technique' and measures taken to camouflage whatever resin we do find into bolder, older-smelling stuff. But soaking can't really accomplish this. Condensers, pot metals, you name it: No oils we distill today turn out the way we really want, beautiful and amazing though they may smell.

So in my critique of Yamin, it's not Yamin that I'm pessimistic of, but rather the current state of affairs in the world of agarwood. Yamin is a good oil, no question about it.

SUPER GLOBAL ASIA

A Malaysian woman would never understand the name, mind you, but this is a fine oil. It smells like you had Taha there behind the pots with you. To me, the opening is like a cross between Lalitya and Sutera: Airy notes aplenty, some light purple vibes, light and jolly. The middle of the scent progression is a bit subdued, and I'm assuming it's because of the condenser type? Nonetheless, a commendable contemporary style distillation.

KOH KONG 1995

You made it clear this is not your oil, but someone else's. My advice: Keep it that way. It smells like a cheese factory turned dental clinic. I always wondered why you get the dental clinic smell in certain Malaysian oils, and used to think it's due to some unique strain of innoculant they use. Heavily soaked, and then very sloppily cooked, I don't think you should entertain any thoughts about adding this to your roster.

More reviews to follow...
 

Adam

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#5
Thank you for your advice. For sure Russian ladies are the priority… =)

I totally get what you are saying… However, you see there are some misconceptions regarding aged oils…
Many think that ALL oils of the past were cooked from a superior quality wood… This of course is not the case…
Having few remarkable oils like Sultani, Kambodi 75 does not mean that all oils from the past are just as good…
In fact most of them are NOT… Koh Kong 95 being a good example… ( thank you for your soft feedback on it… some named it fresh farmed thai… others solvent extracted mess… yet I got a samples of it from a trustworthy friend who went to Koh Kong factory in person in ’95 or so and bought it =)
Another thing with aged oil is that one must really like its behaviour to be able to appreciate it fully… or may I say he must be able to appreciate and understand their behaviour to be able to see its true quality and value… We may compare and old oud oil to an old man… Some old people posses a great amount of wisdom (oudiness) yet many are not… Even those who are willing to share a great amount of wisdom often behaves in a way that not appealing to others… Its not they are rude or anything but they are too quite, too slow and too … dare I say boring… Here we got a very thin line between the personal taste and a true expertise… Being able to appreciate an oil and learn from it even if one personally not find it to his liking is indeed not easy… So here I must admit that I personally do not like highly aged oils. However, it does not prevent me from seeing their quality, oudiness and wisdom. Its just that I prefer to have a young "acrobat doing flips and flops" in front of me rather then spending hours in tranquil quietness with a old men slowly expressing himself.
I see the quality of wood used for Sultani for instance… It is amazing quality oud oil… However, the time made it old… so it behaves in a certain way… I personally would pick some oils like Sultan Ahmet or Global KL oud instead and spend time with them… but… its just me…
Then there is a distiller view… I certainly enjoy seeing my own signature on oils… Sure once you smell more of our oils you will be able to pick it up just as many others did…
 

Adam

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#6
speaking of agarwood quality back in the day... there is no doubt that in general high grade wood was more easily available therefore had more chances to end up in a still...
Yet speaking about extremely high grade agarwood then sinking arm size chunk 20 years ago is just as good as the sinking arm size chunk found today... The only difference is the availability and price...
The same thing with regards to oils... If one use extremely high grade agarwood then the oil can be just as good or even better (due to unique modern technics ) in terms of quality... Sure due to availability factor in the past there were a bit more high quality oils available yet still not many were cooking sinking arm size chunks... if any... more often people were cooking the final stage shavings from those arm size logs... and if one manage to get this type of shavings today they will be just as good... but of course more pricey as harder to find... so are the oils.
Then u got age factor... oils getting old and some, like you enjoy their behaviour. Yet some like me would love and value fresh oils cooked from identical raw materials more due to their energetic and flip flop behaviour...
Another vital point is the right scent profile of raw materials... you yourself mentioned before that full black solid wood may just smell wrong and yield oil that fail... Yet a lower grade with a RIGHT scent profile cooked the RIGHT way may become a legend...
So it is probably not the ancient trees and their availability in the past that makes old oils special... but the specific scent profile of the wood that went in to the still (perhaps randomly, as 20-40 years ago we could not have a chance to choose it ourselves)... But then again once oils get old one must really accept and love their behaviour to be able to enjoy them full on...
 

Ensar Oud

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I must admit that I personally do not like highly aged oils. However, it does not prevent me from seeing their quality, oudiness and wisdom. Its just that I prefer to have a young "acrobat doing flips and flops" in front of me rather then spending hours in tranquil quietness with a old men slowly expressing himself. I see the quality of wood used for Sultani for instance… It is amazing quality oud oil… However, the time made it old… so it behaves in a certain way… I personally would pick some oils like Sultan Ahmet or Global KL oud instead and spend time with them… but… its just me… Then there is a distiller view… I certainly enjoy seeing my own signature on oils…
You sure have it easy, bro.... Distill any oil yourself, and you'll have an acrobat on your hands the minute it's collected. The 'flip flops' are a hallmark of freshly distilled oud, and even normal cultivated oils display those characteristics :)

I'd have to disagree with the simile of the old man and young acrobat, as it simply does not cover the subject matter accurately. It is a poetic expression of a viewpoint, no doubt, and a good one at that, but it does not stand up to scrutiny. How can you write off any aged oil on the mere premise that it is old ('time made it old') and applaud any new distillation if the oil evolves and changes constantly on the skin? I respect the fact that this may be your personal aesthetic, but....

We're not at liberty to say we only like new or old oils because of the role that we assume the minute we present ourselves as 'experts'. By definition, our job entails throwing aside subjectivity and offering as objective and erudite an appraisal of oud as possible. If we don't do this, who else can? If we don't judge oud 'scholastically', who else will?

It is not correct that sinking wood harvested today is of the same quality as sinking wood harvested 20 years ago. The trees harvested back then were much older mother trees, whereas the trees we are harvesting today are the offspring of those trees. The age of the wood is different, the quality of the resin is different. This is why pitch black arms' length logs harvested today may sink, yet when you put them on the burner they smell like smoke and nothing else. Take even a moderately resinated chip from a much older harvest, and you've got the unearthly scent agarwood is known for. And the wood doesn't even have to sink, or look particularly black....

One thing that the advent of the current 'artisanal' market has done is to turn oud into a mere mathematic equation for people: high 'grade' wood + modern 'techniques' = high quality oud. I expressed my dismay to Ali about this when he visited, and I guess the time has come to let you in on it as well. Artisanal oud is not a rote set of motions one goes through, a combination of wood and technique. The ancient appeal of oud was something far beyond the robotics of lighting a pot, grinding some wood, pouring water, closing lids, waiting a while, then collecting what comes out....

You have an incense tradition in Japan that dates hundreds of years that is rooted in agarwood, yet it doesn't involve anything nearly as perfunctory as that. Rather, it defies scientific classification. In the Kodo tradition, so long as the wood smells a certain way, it gets identified as 'Manaban', 'Sasora', 'Manaka'.... They don't even care where the wood originates, so long as it displays the necessary scent characteristics. So it is a very fine and exacting scholarly tradition, yet it defies the crude arithmetic that seems to characterize oud oil production in our day.

One thing that we have not talked about enough in the past – and which is in part the reason that I blame myself, first and foremost, for this 'industrialization' that has happened to artisanal oud – is the fine art of wood identification.

Given the trendy talk of techniques and state of the art equipment, most users tend to identify high quality oud with a lot of technical jargon and steps taken to treat the agarwood any given distiller is presenting – while completely missing the bigger picture of the quality and aromatic profile of that wood. Without an intimate understanding of the wood, whatever technique is employed on that wood is of minimal significance. Most users trust that if the wood is shown to bubble on a coal, it is very high quality wood, and hence the oil resulting from it must be superior quality oil. Nothing could be more misleading.

I've distilled oils that have sold for several hundred dollars from black sizzling wood, and oils that would sell for $5,000 from normal, 'oil grade' looking wood.... Sizzling resin does not necessarily equal quality oud. Let me repeat: incense grade chips that bubble and sizzle on charcoal do not equal the best oud. The correct profile of the wood, as well as that wood's genealogy does. This – and nothing but this – is what artisanal oud is: An intimate understanding of agarwood. Full stop. It has nothing to do with ceramic pots, steel and copper boilers, glass condensers, resin conversion techniques, temperatures.... etc. All of these are just embellishments. Bells and whistles. The real artistry is in the selection of the wood. A deep understanding of the oil it will yield. Nothing more, nothing less.

And that is why.... Even the oils that are nowadays distilled to possess the oudiest of 'muscles' are sorely lacking in them. By 'old school' and 'oudy' I am not referring to an oil that has been soaked beyond recognition – I mean an oil that is cooked straight up, unsoaked, and turns out oudier than the cheesiest of ferments. Because of the type of resin that it possesses, not because of the way it's treated pre- and during distillation.

Let's face it. The trees we harvest today don't hold a candle to the geriatric granny goodness you could harvest 10-20 years ago. So what? So all we've got left is 'technique' and measures taken to camouflage whatever resin we do find into bolder, older-smelling stuff. But soaking can't really accomplish this. Condensers, pot metals, you name it: No oils we distill today turn out the way we really want, beautiful and amazing though they may smell.


I don't know about you but I haven't smelled an Oud Sultani or an Oud Royale from anyone distilling oud today. And I mean, forget the age: I haven't smelled anything that would turn into a Sultani 15 years down the line, or an Oud Royale 34 years down the line, or a Kambodi 1976 40 years down the line, no matter how acrobatic, clean and presentable the oils getting distilled today may seem. The fact that you like the oils we're distilling today more than those oils just means you're.... extraordinarily lucky! :D
 

Adam

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#8
Probably you misread and also misunderstood my post as I never mentioned that I "applaud ANY fresh distillation" and the flip flops I enjoy are definitely not related to the "hallmark of fresh farmed oils"…

Regarding the sinking wood… by comparing arm size chunks what I meant was that those comes from mother trees.
Before there were many, now almost none left. Yet if you spot it today… it will be the very same lovely mother tree…

I personally not believe that 40-50 years ago every single mother tree had agarwood with the RIGHT scent profile. Perhaps back then there were also plenty of solid chunks that would not pass the olfactory test…

As for sizzling resin… we enjoy while examine the wood prior distillation… sadly from the video people only can see the bubbles =)

For us the artisanal oud is exactly that… your soul, hands, pots, waters, condensers, treatment of the wood … and of course carefully selected wood with a RIGHT profile. Those are the tools by which an artist leaves his signature… brings something undiscovered to the world… and express him self in a form of an oil… as opposed to anonymous highly aged oils…. Here no one should get offended… as it is an artist ( distiller ) view which is so different from most people…

Finally we coming back to the point you made yourself recently… Anyone can take the super duper mother oud and cook triple oudy grade legend… even unsoaked. Yet to take an inferior farmed Thai or any other low grade wood and craft from it a remarkable perfume… that is worth something…
 

Ensar Oud

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#9
Trust me, hombre, I haven't misread or misunderstood you. I know where you're coming from exactly. If I didn't, I wouldn't go to such lengths to make this point.

When I compared your Old School Hindi to a straight up steam distill from Sri Lanka, weren't we looking at a cultivated oil whose merit lay in its ability to shape shift within a matter of minutes? Sure, the Sri Lankan oil was clearly done from superior wood compared to your cultivated Assam stock, however to me it was entirely an apples-for-apples deal because both oils were offspring of the contemporary 'clean oil' movement. I preferred the character the soak had lent the cultivated batch over the anemic, unitone temperament of the steam distill and so gave it a higher ranking precisely because of the "soul, hands, pots, waters, condensers, treatment of the wood" that I witnessed in it.

Would I give the same verdict when comparing the oil to a real old school Hindi, from 20 or 30 years ago? I wouldn't even attempt a comparison in that scenario, as we wouldn't be talking apples-for-apples anymore....

As for sizzling resin… we enjoy while examine the wood prior distillation… sadly from the video people only can see the bubbles
Imagine a majlis gathering in Qatar, where large chunks of black nuggets are prodigally thrown into a censer. Not one, but ten coals are lit, and the smoke rises filling the gathering hall. The attendees surely enjoy this wood and its effect. The scent is pleasant, the mood is right.... Now imagine a Kodo master lighting a variety of tiny slithers of wood as he demonstrates different classifications to his attentive students. What they are learning is to identify agarwood with their noses, by carefully listening to the different nuances that emerge from the lightly heated chips. Enjoyment is not the point. The identification of a certain profile is. Yet, the majlis crowd would say that they equally 'understand' and 'enjoy' their particular ceremony, much like the Japanese students can say that they 'enjoy' their business of splitting hairs....

The kind of intimate wood knowledge I am talking about is not about enjoyment, or what may seem like a 'pleasant' scent profile..... It is rather about identifying agarwood. The ability to take a warehouse full of freshly harvested trees and break them down into different grades and classes, according to the type of oil you want to distill. It is very different to having just enough materials to fill a pot with, so that you're forced to distill whatever you can get your hands on. For the most part, this is the scenario we find ourselves in today.

Art happens by restriction. Give someone a scheme to go by, say, fourteen lines of iambic pentameter, in any of a number of rhyme patterns, and you've got a 'sonnet'. Give someone various pot metals to play with, an array of soaking drum materials, water types, condensers, and you've got the framework for an 'artisanal' distillation. – In talking about the wood, I am not talking about the framework but rather the theme of the artwork....

"Anonymous highly aged oils" are art nonetheless, with the added bonus that their 'themes' are tremendous. To compare a nicely done cultivated Thai to Kambodi 1976 is like comparing a contemporary Greek haiku to the Iliad....

And I would strongly disagree with the notion that these oils are 'anonymous'. If they reach us through Taha's hands (like Lao One) they invariably bear Taha's trademark, having been filtered through his unique aesthetic.

The fact that Oud Royale 1, Kambodi 1976 and Oud Ahmad found their way to you through me, only means that they share a destiny. They've been filtered through an aesthetic that other oils did not make it through, and ultimately they bear my name on them.

It is very difficult to maintain any level of objectivity in a discussion so long as both sides of the argument are also merchants of products represented by their credo. Yet you cannot miss the fact that I represent contemporary distillations much more than I do vintage oils. It would be to my advantage to agree with you and say: Yeah, Jing Shen Lu is a lot more interesting than Oud Sultani, after all....

I wouldn't be caught dead thinking such a claim, let alone uttering it....

I don't care what his name was, the guy who wrote the Odyssey was a much better poet than I am. And the guy who distilled Kambodi 1976.... I guess we can agree that he could have benefited a whole lot by taking some lessons in acrobatics.... :D
 

Adam

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#10
the true meaning of anonymous oud oil...

it is funny how different words can have a hidden meanings that people would never catch unless you explain it in details. this reminds me a modern criminal poetry (that i used to be involved in before accepting islam) when one may right about his friends and family hiding behind this a totally different meaning...
by calling certain oils Annynomous I had no intention to put down your or anyone else oils that you yourself not distilled. Those oils indeed have passed your authoritive expertise/filter and therefore deserve to be signed by you.
by saying anonymous I refer to the oils that bear no benefit to me as a distiller.
I look at them as a complete piece of art that I can appreciate and enjoy yet can not benefit from. benefit in a sense ... to smell/see the wood it was distilled from, see the set up/technics used to bring it to life... finnaly see the process how it came to life... those things are of the great value to me... not only the art itself but the process of creating art...
that's why we try to document it and share with the world... Sadly most people see in it only "robotic, step by step, easy" actions of chopping woods, lighting up the fire, cooking and collecting the oil. However, thank God there are few who highly value, appreciate, understand and see great benefit in it.

the right scent profile.

when we enjoy our wood prior distillation we like to record it as well. just to state that it is taking place and it is vital. here we are not only talking about a "pleasant" or "pretty" aroma.
the process of identifying the desired scent profile is exactly what we are going trough and we also enjoy it a lot.

move on... Sultan series...

surely oils like Sultani and Kambodi 75 are in a league of their own... however, it's time to move on... as there is no way to be back in time... In my opinion you "fresh" Sultan series are just as good (in terms of quality yet from another league for sure)
I personally enjoy them even more due to their energetic behaviour... also some MIGHT end up being another oud sultani after 40 years or so... we never know because we had no chance to sniff oils like Kambodi 75 when they just came out of a still 40 years ago.
ok let me give oud Sultan Ahmet a proper review after I spend a bit more time with it ... sadly it won't be 40 years... :)))
 

Adam

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#11
Sultan Ahmet…

refreshing, bright, energetic opening, that waving the whole bunch of very gentle yet intense notes some of which are eucalyptus, lemon peal, lemongrass, with a touch green and purple floras…
those top notes are diverse and very lively yet moderate in their behaviour… they dance beautifully, slowly and smoothly… all are crystal clear and of a very high quality ( nothing too sweet, too floral, too green or too purple … every single note display it self perfectly and in the best manner possible ).
i feel at least 2 or 3 different species in this dance… this is perhaps the factor that makes top notes diverse and very interesting to experience… I also feel a glass condenser involved and a precise, fluctuating temperature control… perhaps its just my imagination =)

the top notes, to me, are one of the most enjoyable experiences in the process of listening to an oil… this is one of the experiences that in my opinion missing in highly aged oils or perhaps if not missing then hugely lacking…

those top notes of Sultan Ahmet are fast moving to the middle where I find hard to get right words to accurately describe the scent… yet I feel unmistakable Ensar oud signature here…

the base is a complete perfume on its own… its like if one would give a kodo master various species of the finest agarwood chips (scent wise) and ask him to compose a single session that will consist of 3 different species to be heated at once… amazingly pleasant experience, which to me, is far beyond and far more valuable than the one that some may discover in the OUDY oils that posses high quality yet less diverse notes…

ps…
the oils from Ensar Oud “fresh” Sultan series I find to be the same in terms of style to some of AgarAura’s ( Royal Papua, Sutera Ungu … perhaps all Gen4 oils) and Feel Oud’s ( KL Super Global, Sa Tu …) oils… of course with a unique Ensar signature… this style of oils in my opinion offers the RIGHT, carefully selected and filtered scent profile, with a super oudy, rich, deep, complex, extremely diverse character as well as lively, extraordinary and exceptionally energetic behaviour…
these type of oils I personally value the most and extremely happy that we are blessed with them…
 

Ensar Oud

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#12
Hombre, you really outdid yourself with this review... Thank you, thank you! :D

OLD SCHOOL VIETNAM

You'd asked me for a sample of Aroha Kyaku because you said you were curious about my take on the 'dark smoky' oud genre. Had I smelled this, I wouldn't have bothered sending you the sample! :) To me, it smells like a cousin of Aroha, dark oudy and very serious. I used to pride myself on being inimitable in my distillation styles, but I think you've gone ahead and done it this time! Congratulations on this one! Very much oudier than the Saigon Paragon, and captures the smoke of burning chips quite accurately.

(Layers beautifully with JK's Musk Rose Attar, btw, which I happen to have on on my other arm!)
 

Adam

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#13
I was very much interested what you have to say about our Old School Vietnam… Thank you.
I have not got Aroha Kyaku but the Dhul Q…
Please share more info on it about before I try to describe my experience…
I remember original Dhul Qifl which was more dry, juicy and classical… my personal favourite type of oud…
But this Dhul Q is also ridding the "smoky dark horse"…
 

Ensar Oud

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#14
Ah, yes, I remember opting for Dhul Q when you mentioned 'dark and smoky' because of your love for thick and sticky oils like Oud Ishaq and Oud Dhul Kifl. Dhul Q is Dhul Kifl done ala Aroha Kyaku, the smokiest of the bunch. It is also not quite as sticky as Ishaq, but closer to Dhul Kifl. There's a minuscule amount of super high quality wild Cambodian raw materials that went into that oil, which is responsible for the high incense note. Dhul Kifl was 100% cultivated.
 

Adam

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#15
Dhul Q…

so it is 100% wild?

anyways… among all the oils you sent me I can definitely say that this one is the best =) (meaning: my personal favourite…=)
here again I would love to put emphasis that “my favourite” does not mean that this is the highest quality, most complex, most diverse oil from what I have tried…
it is simply the type of oil/aroma I personally like the most… I feel that it is very important that we learn to understand the words correctly in a relevance to the context…
this hopefully will help us to wrongly think that some are misusing names/words/expressions in order to deceive others…

If I could afford it I would literally bath in this type of oud =) This is in my personal vocabulary it is the second type/style of classical oud.
First one of course is a funky, animalic, barny style… Not the rotten, poorly fermented and unpleasant aroma that we find often in a lower grade oils soaked to death but that deep and soul touching wild character that makes you close your eyes and feel how olfactory receptors are vibrating inside your body…
The second type is the smoky, dark type of oud… Not the burned rubber, sharp and unpleasant plasticy smell but the oud oil with a soothing, soft, delicate and whispery touch of a smoke string… and this is what Dhul Q is all about… on the top of that you got:

thick, sticky, rich layers of dark and juicy caramel… Finest, wet, shiny brown sugar… Polished, shiny, rose wood… Soft, smooth, baby skin like touch of leather…
overall character is very matured, masculine and solid…

This 2 types/styles of classical oud I believe are the ones that are the most difficult to get RIGHT…
As some say there is a thin line between love and hate.. So there is a thin line between just stinky (unpleasant) and nicely funky (soul touching)… simply burned and perfectly smoky…
Dhul Q is indeed a perfectly smoke oud oil… and is one of those that makes me want move more towards this direction in my own recent creations…