How long do oud oils last? What is your oldest one and does it still smell the same?

#1
I am asking because I noticed that some of my oils exhibit noticable signs of change after two-three years of storage. The changes are most apparent with several oils in particular (Ensar's Royal Kinam, Kyara LTD, Kyara Koutan, Burmese Kinam, Cambodi Caramel and Taha's Malinau/Berau) and is clearly noticable when I compare the same oils that were stored in sample vials as opposed to the bottles these were decanted from. So far the changes have been for the better - softer, mellower top notes, smoother, more balanced and deeper, but I am worried that given enough time this changes can go too far and render the oils' top notes to become too quiet (which has already happened to an extent to my Burmese Kinam).

What are your experiences?
 

Ensar Oud

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#2
The oldest oil I've ever smelled is the first Oud Royale, which was distilled by Sultan Qaboos of Oman in 1982. The oil was stored in airtight crystal jars containing over 50 tolas each, which were presented to royal figures and friends of Qaboos. The oil still smells identical to the day I first encountered it in 2004. The reason for this might be the fact that it had already aged a good 22 years in the crystal flask prior to my encountering it in '04. Whereas the Royal Kinam, Kyara Koutan, etc. are relatively new distillations in comparison. So the natural stages of the oils' initial maturation (first 2 to 5 years) might be the cause of the changes you experienced.

The oils will be just fine if you don't open and close them on a regular basis. Set aside whatever is not meant for immediate use, and keep only one bottle of each oil which you use.

The airing, lamping, sunning practices I've heard of elsewhere are the surest way to ruin the finest oud oil. One thing that is constantly not understood by buyers and sellers of oud alike is the fact that agarwood oil is an essential oil. It's no different to sandalwood, lavender, rose, patchouli, rosemary, even olive oil.

To see whether airing or lamping would benefit your oud oil, try this experiment. Call up White Lotus Aromatics and ask Christopher what he thinks of the idea of lamping or sunning his Bulgarian lavender oil. Not only Christopher but any person with the faintest knowledge of essential oils would recoil in horror at the suggestion. So why should the case be different for agarwood oil?
 
#3
Thanks for the info, Ensar. It's reassuring to know that my stash should be good for at least 20 years or more :)

As for lamping/sunning/airing - aren't these methods used just for very fresh oils that still need some water/hydrosol etc. removed, similar to the setup with lamps we saw in your recent videos?

Also - I am curious as to whether the plastic applicator sticks used in the standard octagonal bottles may affect the oil over the long run? And is there any danger in keeping the oils in the fancy crystal bottles with metal elements? I could be wrong but I heard that the copper in the metal neck/stopper can impart a greenish tint to the oil? If that's true, can this also affect the smell of the oil?

Lastly, would it be of any beneift to replace the air in the long storage bottles with an inert gas is this a ridiculous overkill?
 
#4
Great questions, Igor. I wonder if you store your bottles in the open, meaning that they are exposed to whatever degree of natural light enters the room, or if you keep them in the dark? I've often wondered if its better to keep bottles in the dark. Many essential oils vendors, like Christopher, always sell oils in bottles that are dark amber and protect the oil from light.
 
#5
All my ouds are carefully stashed away and are stored in complete darkness, so sunlight is not a factor. As much as I'd love to enjoy seeing the bottles on the dresser, I know better :)
 
#6
your comment about the green tint from the neck/stopper has happened to my Oud Mostafa and has altered the beauty of the oil completely. I was and still am completely gutted especially since its not available any more. I transferred it to another bottle in the hope of rescuing what was left but its well embedded with the oil now unfortunately.
 

Ensar Oud

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#7
As for lamping/sunning/airing - aren't these methods used just for very fresh oils that still need some water/hydrosol etc. removed, similar to the setup with lamps we saw in your recent videos?

Also - I am curious as to whether the plastic applicator sticks used in the standard octagonal bottles may affect the oil over the long run? And is there any danger in keeping the oils in the fancy crystal bottles with metal elements? I could be wrong but I heard that the copper in the metal neck/stopper can impart a greenish tint to the oil? If that's true, can this also affect the smell of the oil?

Lastly, would it be of any beneift to replace the air in the long storage bottles with an inert gas is this a ridiculous overkill?
The lamping and sunning are initially used to help the water and oil molecules separate, so that the oil can then be filtered. However, many people employ these techniques in order to intentionally oxidize or force-age an oil and induce a mellower, more mature aura to the fragrance. This is very different to the natural aging that happens if you keep the oil in a tightly sealed bottle over years and years, in a cool dark place. The oil loses its vitality, and what you smell in the end is the oxidized molecules which often have a rancid linear smell, rather than the original fragrance of the essential oil itself.

I've been wondering about the plastic applicators for a long time. All of my personal stash is poured in plain glass bottles, and I use nothing besides. To date, I haven't seen (or sniffed) anything that would indicate the plastic applicators have an impact. The metal elements of crystal bottles, on the other hand, will impact the color of the oil if not stored with care and kept upright; i.e. if the oil comes into contact with the metal (copper, to be exact) parts of the bottle and is then exposed to oxygen, this will lead to copper sulfate occurring inside the bottle, imparting a green tinge to the oil. If allowed to age long enough, the oil will eventually turn a dark green color. I'm not sure this has an effect on the smell, however it is quite off-putting to see the color of the oil change.

For this reason, I recommend everyone use the plain glass bottles; or if you must, the gold or silver ones, which must be kept ultra clean at the neck, ensuring the oil doesn't come into contact with the metal.

@asi17, I'm so sorry to hear about that happening to your bottle of Oud Mostafa! I recommend you pour it into a plain glass bottle immediately, to prevent the occurrence of additional copper sulfate in the oil. :( :( :(
 
#8
I have the same thing happening to my Mostafa Bottle and I wasn't sure what was it until I read here other's experience. it looks like this P1050643.jpg I have just cleaned it after taking the picture and I'll order plain glass bottle to decant it. The scent and the color of the oil is unaffected because I am very careful not to let them come in contact. Odd thing is that I had a little bit of Borneo Kinam leak onto the (brass?) cap but it did not change the color, istead overtime it harden into a tasty fragrant resin :)
 
#9
Hi guys, I haven't been around for a while, I just happened to read this first about the green necks. I checked my bottles everyone I could get to right now except Ensar's Cacao are tinting green, these 5 are the ones I use. I plan on doing something this weekend to fix this problem. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.
Take Care.
 
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floraopia

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#10
Wow.... looking at Masstika's Mostafa bottle, I have never seen that before and I have plenty of Oud bottles from Ensar! How do you guys store your bottles?